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Hands
Have you ever took a look at the garbage that anti groups such as P.eta feed our youth in regards to hunting?
I thought it would be fun to talk about a lot of the garbage.

Here it is in it's glory:

Why Sport Hunting Is Cruel and Unnecessary

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Although it was a crucial part of humans’ survival 100,000 years ago, hunting is now nothing more than a violent form of recreation that the vast majority of hunters does not need for subsistence.(1) Hunting has contributed to the extinction of animal species all over the world, including the Tasmanian tiger and the great auk.(2,3)

Less than 5 percent of the U.S. population hunts, yet hunting is permitted in many wildlife refuges, national forests, state parks, and on other public lands.(4) Forty percent of hunters slaughter and maim millions of animals on public land every year, and by some estimates, poachers kill just as many animals illegally.(5,6)

Pain and Suffering
Many animals suffer prolonged, painful deaths when they are injured but not killed by hunters. A member of the Maine Bowhunters Alliance estimates that 50 percent of animals who are shot with crossbows are wounded but not killed.(7) A study of 80 radio-collared white-tailed deer found that of the 22 deer who had been shot with “traditional archery equipment,” 11 were wounded but not recovered by hunters.(8) Twenty percent of foxes who have been wounded by hunters are shot again; 10 percent manage to escape, but “starvation is a likely fate” for them, according to one veterinarian.(9) A South Dakota Department of Game, Fish, and Parks biologist estimates that more than 3 million wounded ducks go “unretrieved” every year.(10) A British study of deer hunting found that 11 percent of deer who’d been killed by hunters died only after being shot two or more times and that some wounded deer suffered for more than 15 minutes before dying.(11)

Hunting disrupts migration and hibernation patterns and destroys families. For animals like wolves, who mate for life and live in close-knit family units, hunting can devastate entire communities. The stress that hunted animals suffer—caused by fear and the inescapable loud noises and other commotion that hunters create—also severely compromises their normal eating habits, making it hard for them to store the fat and energy that they need in order to survive the winter.

Blood-Thirsty and Profit-Driven
To attract more hunters (and their money), federal and state agencies implement programs—often called “wildlife management” or “conservation” programs—that are designed to boost the number of “game” species. These programs help to ensure that there are plenty of animals for hunters to kill and, consequently, plenty of revenue from the sale of hunting licenses.

Duck hunters in Louisiana persuaded the state wildlife agency to direct $100,000 a year toward “reduced predator impact,” which involved trapping foxes and raccoons so that more duck eggs would hatch, giving hunters more birds to kill.(12) The Ohio Division of Wildlife teamed up with a hunter-organized society to push for clear-cutting (i.e., decimating large tracts of trees) in Wayne National Forest in order to “produce habitat needed by ruffed grouse.”(13)

In Alaska, the Department of Fish and Game is trying to increase the number of moose for hunters by “controlling” the wolf and bear populations. Grizzlies and black bears have been moved hundreds of miles away from their homes; two were shot by hunters within two weeks of their relocation, and others have simply returned to their homes.(14) Wolves have been slaughtered in order to “let the moose population rebound and provide a higher harvest for local hunters.”(15) In the early 1990s, a program designed to reduce the wolf population backfired when snares failed to kill victims quickly and photos of suffering wolves were seen by an outraged public.(16)

Nature Takes Care of Its Own
The delicate balance of ecosystems ensures their own survival—if they are left unaltered. Natural predators help maintain this balance by killing only the sickest and weakest individuals. Hunters, however, kill any animal whom they would like to hang over the fireplace—including large, healthy animals who are needed to keep the population strong. Elephant poaching is believed to have increased the number of tuskless animals in Africa, and in Canada, hunting has caused bighorn sheep’s horn size to fall by 25 percent in the last 40 years; Nature magazine reports that “the effect on the populations’ genetics is probably deeper.”(17)

Even when unusual natural occurrences cause overpopulation, natural processes work to stabilize the group. Starvation and disease can be tragic, but they are nature’s ways of ensuring that healthy, strong animals survive and maintain the strength level of the rest of their herd or group. Shooting an animal because he or she might starve or become sick is arbitrary and destructive.

“Sport” hunting not only jeopardizes nature’s balance, it also exacerbates other problems. For example, the transfer of captive-bred deer and elk between states for the purpose of hunting is believed to have contributed to the epidemic spread of chronic wasting disease (CWD). As a result, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) has given state wildlife agencies millions of dollars to “manage” deer and elk populations.(18) The fatal neurological illness that affects these animals has been likened to mad cow disease, and while the USDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that CWD has no relationship to any similar diseases that affect humans or farmed animals, the slaughter of deer and elk continues.(19,20)

Another problem with hunting involves the introduction of exotic “game” animals who, if they’re able to escape and thrive, pose a threat to native wildlife and established ecosystems. After a group of nonnative wild boars escaped from a private ranch and moved into the forests of Cambria County, Pa., the state of Pennsylvania drafted a bill prohibiting the importation of all exotic species of animals.(21)

Canned Cruelty
Most hunting occurs on private land, where laws that protect wildlife are often inapplicable or difficult to enforce. On private lands that are set up as for-profit hunting reserves or game ranches, hunters can pay to kill native and exotic species in “canned hunts.” These animals may be native to the area, raised elsewhere and brought in, or purchased from individuals who are trafficking in unwanted or surplus animals from zoos and circuses. They are hunted and killed for the sole purpose of providing hunters with a “trophy.”

Canned hunts are becoming big business—there are an estimated 1,000 game preserves in the U.S.(22) Ted Turner, who owns more land than any other landowner in the country, operates 20 ranches, where hunters pay thousands of dollars to kill bison, deer, African antelopes, and turkeys.(23)

Animals on canned-hunting ranches are often accustomed to humans and are usually unable to escape from the enclosures that they are confined to, which range in size from just a few yards to thousands of acres. Most of these ranches operate on a “no kill, no pay” policy, so it is in owners’ best interests to ensure that clients get what they came for. Owners do this by offering guides who are familiar with animals’ locations and habits, permitting the use of dogs, and supplying “feeding stations” that lure unsuspecting animals to food while hunters lie in wait.

Only a handful of states prohibit canned hunting, and there are no federal laws regulating the practice at this time.(24) Congress is considering an amendment to the Captive Exotic Animal Protection Act that would prohibit the transfer, transportation, or possession of exotic animals “for entertainment or the collection of a trophy.”(25)

‘Accidental’ Victims
Hunting “accidents” destroy property and injure or kill horses, cows, dogs, cats, hikers, and other hunters. In 2006, Vice President Dick Cheney famously shot a friend while hunting quail on a canned-hunting preserve.(26) According to the International Hunter Education Association, there are dozens of deaths and hundreds of injuries attributed to hunting in the United States every year—and that number only includes incidents involving humans.(27) It is an ongoing problem, and one warden explained that “hunters seem unfamiliar with their firearms and do not have enough respect for the damage they can do.”(28)

A Humane Alternative
There are 30 million deer in the U.S., and because hunting has been an ineffective method to “control” populations (one Pennsylvania hunter “manages” the population and attracts deer by clearing his 600-acre plot of wooded land and planting corn), some wildlife agencies are considering other management techniques.(29,30) Several recent studies suggest that sterilization is an effective, long-term solution to overpopulation. A method called TNR (trap, neuter, and return) has been tried on deer in Ithaca, N.Y., and an experimental birth-control vaccine is being used on female deer in Princeton, N.J.(31,32) One Georgia study of 1,500 white-tailed deer on Cumberland Island concluded that “if females are captured, marked, and counted, sterilization reduces herd size, even at relatively low annual sterilization rates.”(33)


What You Can Do
Before you support a “wildlife” or “conservation” group, ask about its position on hunting. Groups such as the National Wildlife Federation, the National Audubon Society, the Sierra Club, the Izaak Walton League, the Wilderness Society, and the World Wildlife Fund are pro-sport-hunting or, at the very least, they do not oppose it.

To combat hunting in your area, post “no hunting” signs on your land, join or form an anti-hunting organization, protest organized hunts, and spread deer repellent or human hair (from barber shops) near hunting areas. Call 1-800-448-NPCA to report poachers in national parks to the National Parks and Conservation Association. Educate others about hunting. Encourage your legislators to enact or enforce wildlife-protection laws, and insist that nonhunters be equally represented on the staffs of wildlife agencies.


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First things first...

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  Hunting has contributed to the extinction of animal species all over the world, including the Tasmanian tiger and the great auk.(2,3)


Hunting is now responsible for keeping species in a balanced check, and even improving numbers of species.

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Less than 5 percent of the U.S. population hunts, yet hunting is permitted in many wildlife refuges, national forests, state parks, and on other public lands.(4) Forty percent of hunters slaughter and maim millions of animals on public land every year, and by some estimates, poachers kill just as many animals illegally.(5,6)


A certain percentage of the U.S population (around the same percentage) uses the forest for bird watching. A certain percentage uses it for hiking. A certain percentage for camping. So, it is shared by all by allowing hunting as well. These lands are shared by ALL.

POACHERS ARE NOT HUNTERS!


And..
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Blood-Thirsty and Profit-Driven
To attract more hunters (and their money), federal and state agencies implement programs—often called “wildlife management” or “conservation” programs—that are designed to boost the number of “game” species. These programs help to ensure that there are plenty of animals for hunters to kill and, consequently, plenty of revenue from the sale of hunting licenses.


This money not only boosts game animals, it helps non game animals as well. It also ensures that land will be protected and restored and taken care of so that these animals will always thrive and have no fear of becoming endangered.
Also, it also ensures that these animals will be around for generations to come for NON HUNTERS and ANTI'S as well. No other group in the U.S. has taken this project on or is offering to take over. without hunters, it would not happen.


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so, that's all I'm gonna do now (lol..I didn't want to do it all and not leave you guys any.). You feel like commenting on any of the "factsheet"? Also, feel free to comment on parts already done. I'm sure I'll have a few bits to add in as well.
Mongojoe
Speaking of PETA.... I just received this in my mail awhile ago... You video buffs may find it of interest.... Hey...there's prizes to win.....



There are all sorts of great reasons to go vegetarian, and we want to know why you made the switch! Maybe your older sister showed you a video of what happens to billions of cows, pigs, and chickens raised and killed for food each year; maybe you made the connection between the animals you live with and the animals you were eating; or maybe you picked up one of peta2's "What They Never Told You..." booklets at Warped Tour. Whatever the reason, we want you to send us a video explaining what made you go veg and how your life has changed since you cut meat out of your diet. Click here for more info and to learn how you can win a peta2 hoodie and a vegan snack pack for sending us your "veggie video."

Thanks for all your hard work. Now film away!

Sincerely,

Marta Holmberg
Street Team Coordinator
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA)
501 Front St.
Norfolk, VA 23510
MartaH@peta2.com



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Hands
I am so gonna send them a vid of gutting a deer when season comes in.
Hands
k..here's another

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The stress that hunted animals suffer—caused by fear and the inescapable loud noises and other commotion that hunters create—also severely compromises their normal eating habits, making it hard for them to store the fat and energy that they need in order to survive the winter.


Food supply for them (deer in my examples) increases because many hunters plant food plots or put out bait stations. Also, there is less competition once deer are being harvested.
As far as stress, the rut alone can prove to be stressful to bucks.
As for compromising their normal eating habits, they may change their patterns at times, but the only affect it has is on hunters (because it's usually at night).
Mongojoe
Well.... check out this crap.......

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...fromZR40QQfviZ1
Hands
Yeah, I know. There's a guy in PA doing it too with does. sad.gif It'll probably catch on more too.
But, my thoughts are this person put a ridculous reserve on it (the seller keeps mentioning "high price" and that he only did it to see if anti's would put their money where their mouths are. (that, or he could be B.S.'ing too), but as it is, his reserve isn't met.

It could be one of those things like if I tried to sell my gator hunting season for a year so people could save gators. I don't even hunt gators. lol..see what I mean? Or foxes, or promise I won't shoot any more cuddly raccoons...all of which I don't hunt in the first place.
(Just saying...what if he wasn't even a hunter)

And, hunters are bidding on it too, although I think it's more for principle..not wanting to lose out to anti's.

I still think this person is trying to prove a point, and he could have 20,000 on there as his reserve (he did say a "pretty high price") and doesn;t really expect anyone to win..just wants to see how much they'd be willing to pay to save animals.

What I'm seeing (with my other eye because one is seeing this idiot as a black eye because it's hard to defend your position against anti's to nonhunters when you have others treating game and hunting like it's a barter toy) is that even P.ETA knows about this auction right now , and the bidding is now only at $490 (it was over $500 last night so someone retracted a bid) and even Pe.ta uses Ebay (they sold a day with Ingrid) .........why aren't they putting their money where their mouths are? I bank on it's because #1 they could give 2 chits about any animals much less wildlife. & #2, they view it as helping hunters (lining a hunter's pocket), so screw the wildlife.

And one guy said it best:
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"As of today, we see just how hypocritical these guys are! 480 bucks? Not even a tenth of what we spend in leases, equipment, food, liscenses, etc.-so if they are going to pt their money where their mouth is---they have a long way to go!"


This amount is paltry if you're in the position (like an anti or ara) to protect the ONE thing you are most passionate about (animals/saving animals). And looking at the bigger picture....if anti's and ara's are wanting to end hunting...here's a chance to show the US that they can carry the expenses that hunter's would no longer be providing for for wildlife. And so far, they're not doing it.
Hands
yep, catching on...here's one in Oregon: http://cgi.ebay.com/No-Hunting-or-Fishing-...1QQcmdZViewItem

and here's the PA guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/Save-deer-in-PA-buy-my...1QQcmdZViewItem
Hands
by the way...mucho thanks! LoL...there's a few Alabama things on there. If I can find anything at the "old place I used to hunt" I'm so there! Huge deer and impossible to get a lease there anymore. I would have never thought to look on ebay..lol.
Hands
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The delicate balance of ecosystems ensures their own survival—if they are left unaltered. Natural predators help maintain this balance by killing only the sickest and weakest individuals


In many areas, hunters are now the top predator. Where the US once had grizzleys and wolves and such, now there are only humans.

(LoL...this is all pretty common sense stuff, so I'm not referencing. I will though if I get called on it, try anyway.)


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Hunters, however, kill any animal whom they would like to hang over the fireplace—including large, healthy animals who are needed to keep the population strong.

There are many hunters who are sole meat hunters. Even the ones who hunt for trophys will use the meat or donate it/give it away, as required by law.
Also, the large healthy animals in my deer scenarios would be aged bucks who have already ensured the strength of the population by having already mated for many seasons and passing on their genes.

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Elephant poaching

Poaching is not done by HUNTERS, only by POACHERS, so this entire sentence is void.

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and in Canada, hunting has caused bighorn sheep’s horn size to fall by 25 percent in the last 40 years; Nature magazine reports that “the effect on the populations’ genetics is probably deeper.”


Hmm..I've never even looked into this one. I will research it and come back after learning about it!! All one'd have to do is look into harvests/records 25 years ago and compare them to todays. (lol..just finding them is the booger of a job!)
Mongojoe
Are these some of the things you have posted at your "squidoo" site?
Hands
I don't think so. But I may have linked this "factsheet" on there (I forgot to link it, but if you google "Peta factsheet hunting" you should find it), and probably touched on some of this in the "rambly" part. biggrin.gif
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